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    Wednesday, May 24, 2006

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    This post on Wade Burleson's blog says it all. Darth Hatley, just
    so you know, Wade is not responsible for this picture, YOU ARE!

    Here is more at SBC OUTPOST and GraceFullWords.

    And more from the Associated Baptist Press .

    posted by Arkansas Razorbaptist at 5/24/2006 06:36:00 PM


    Blogger Kevin Bussey said...

    That is classic!

    Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:36:00 PM  
    Blogger Bryan Riley said...

    Father, may we all be one, as Christ and You are one, and may we all be one in You, that the world may believe that Christ was sent of You...Christ in us and the Father in Christ, that we may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that the Father sent Christ, and loved us all as the Father loved Christ.

    Oh Father, thank you that we have been called to liberty, but I pray you protect us all from using liberty as an opportunity for the flesh; instead, show us the grace that we might be empowered through love to serve one another. Because, Lord, you taught us that all the law is fulfilled in one word: Love. That we shall love our neighbor as ourselves. And you warn us that if we bite and devour one another we should beware because such conduct will result in us consuming one another. Lord, please help us.

    And Father, forgive us for making this a denominational thing. It isn't. It is about You, not any one denomination or set of beliefs. May all who believe and confess that Jesus is Lord and that God raised Jesus from the dead unite and be as one just as Jesus prayed for us. And may we refuse to proclaim ourselves and simply proclaim You, humbly, in prayer and thanksgiving. May we repent of our sins of pride and lust and selfishness and turn to You. Heal us and heal our land, Lord.

    Thursday, May 25, 2006 5:58:00 AM  
    Blogger Arkansas Razorbaptist said...


    We don't hate our brother, we love him. Darth Vader is my favorite Star Wars character. Remember what redeemed him in the end what the love of a son. We wish Dr. Hatley hadn’t done what he did.

    We’re just a having a little fun at a time when many of us are completely dumbfounded.

    Thursday, May 25, 2006 7:02:00 AM  
    Blogger Bryan Riley said...

    Please understand i wasn't praying that for you or for any one, or making any judgments. I was praying it for me and my relationship with the Father. I did not intend to suggest that you, Wade, Tom, or anyone was hating anyone. Those prayers are straight from scripture and it can never be wrong to pray His Word. I am greatly concerned, however, that much of what is going on just shows disunity and a lack of love and does harm to the world's view of much of today's church.

    Thursday, May 25, 2006 7:28:00 AM  
    Blogger Arkansas Razorbaptist said...

    okay...it is a great prayer.

    Thursday, May 25, 2006 7:29:00 AM  
    Blogger Bryan Riley said...

    While i was in a meeting a few minutes ago, i jotted down a quick verse that I thought I could share here:

    Watch how you wield them;
    Tools of great power
    To heal and to harm.
    May my heart be
    To use my words for good,
    Evermore prudently
    Communicating as You would...

    Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:36:00 AM  
    Blogger Arkansas Razorbaptist said...


    Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:45:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Razorbaptist brother- In pointing out these things to the brethren, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, constantly nourished on the words of the faith and of the sound doctrine which you have been following. WHY??? Because if any of us strays from the truth, and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death, and will cover a multitude of sins. Maybe Bryan Riley should pray in private, not as the Pharisees do!!!!!!!

    Friday, May 26, 2006 1:16:00 AM  
    Blogger Bryan Riley said...

    I am confused, honestly. The prayers were nothing more than quotes of scripture, changed only to be in the form of a prayer to the Father. I know I participate frequently in open prayer (out loud) with a collective group and have throughout my life as a Christian. I apologize if the words from John 17, 2 Chronicles 7, Galatians 5, and Romans 10 came across piously. That was not the intent. And, the last thing I want to be is a Pharisee and the purpose behind any blogging I have done has been to decry the modern day phariseeacalism that appears to be rampant in the church. The next time I post scripture I will post it directly and not in the form of a prayer. It strikes me that I do much better when I focus more on the Word than my own words.

    Friday, May 26, 2006 5:53:00 AM  
    Blogger Arkansas Razorbaptist said...

    I have no problem with Bryan's prayer, which was pulled from scripture.:) He posted this on his blog too. This is a forum for people to respond to posts as they see fit, just no cursing.

    Friday, May 26, 2006 7:07:00 AM  
    Blogger Tad Thompson said...

    Batman - that was absolutely awesome. You know Dr. Hatly pastors the church my dad pastored for 15 years. The church grew from 300-1000 in those 15 years. Hatley has pastored the same church for 14 years and the church now runs under 300. Things that make you go hmmm.

    Friday, May 26, 2006 2:30:00 PM  
    Blogger Phillips Lynn said...


    It is my understanding that many things have gone without reconcilation during his tenure there also.

    Friday, May 26, 2006 3:32:00 PM  
    Blogger Arkansas Razorbaptist said...

    We can admit that we know nothing about Tom Hatley's pastoring and/or administration of his church, but if he pastors like he runs IMB board we could understand why he might have some problems.

    Friday, May 26, 2006 5:15:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    BR, hard to see how you were being anything but pious/pharisitic when you use those words in the way you used them.

    Friday, May 26, 2006 5:26:00 PM  
    Blogger Bryan Riley said...

    As I've written, I won't again post scripture in the form of a prayer because of the reaction of some. The next time I will just refer to the scripture. You can't know my heart, and simply saying this doesn't make it so, i understand, but my intent was not to be pompous or to be trite. I think all of this illustrates the inherent problem of blogging, because all people see are words and they jump to conclusions about what the writer's motives are. For example, one pastor, yes pastor, assumed I must be a Ronnie Floyd supporter. Others assumed I was just a pious jerk. Yet others researched me and learned I was a lawyer, which I am sure then resulted in further conclusions being drawn.

    Rather than put these verses in prayer form, the form people took issue with I will simply point to Proverbs 26, ironically the Proverb for today, April 26th. It provides such gems of wisdom as "21 As charcoal to embers and as wood to fire, so is a quarrelsome man for kindling strife," and "24 A malicious man disguises himself with his lips, but in his heart he harbors deceit. 25 Though his speech is charming, do not believe him, for seven abominations fill his heart. 26 His malice may be concealed by deception, but his wickedness will be exposed in the assembly. 27 If a man digs a pit, he will fall into it; if a man rolls a stone, it will roll back on him. 28 A lying tongue hates those it hurts, and a flattering mouth works ruin."

    Now, before everyone starts jumping on me for piety, please understand that I am not singling out anyone or saying that I don't need these same words (and others from Proverbs 26 about not answering a fool according to his folly). Instead, I am simply pointing out those words of wisdom and asking all of us, do they apply to the world of blogging and shouldn't we temper all our comments.

    Finally, frankly, I'm amazed that people have time to spend doing this as much as they apparently do. All of this time spent in loving other people could really change the world.

    Friday, May 26, 2006 6:52:00 PM  
    Blogger Arkansas Razorbaptist said...


    Keep on posting!

    Friday, May 26, 2006 6:57:00 PM  
    Blogger Bryan Riley said...

    ARB...frankly, especially after reading Proverbs 26 and seeing the way people write on the blogs, I am struggling about whether I should continue. I like to see conflict resolved through the wisdom of God. That is one of my passions. I love to see relationships restored through God's principles and his leadership. That too is a passion. People might be surprised to hear an attorney say that, but those are passions God has given me. I also know that being argumentative is a weakness of mine, and it has taken me great energy not to address some of what were personal challenges to me publicly in a very public and personal fashion. Those temptations make me question whether it is good for me to participate. I also frankly grow weary of seeing God's family fight so, pardon my french, "friggin" much over insignificant things and bring shame to the truth of God's love. Having said all of that, I am continuing to pray for wisdom and guidance and hope some how this sinner gets it right going forward as to how I can and should participate.

    Friday, May 26, 2006 7:03:00 PM  
    Blogger Bryan Riley said...

    Oh, and ARB, i'd love to meet some real people rather than just writing and reading all of this stuff in the blind... since we both may be in NWA...you can always email me.

    Friday, May 26, 2006 7:04:00 PM  
    Blogger Arkansas Razorbaptist said...

    I think a lot of time people struggle to capture the intent of the writer. On these blogs there is a heightened sensitivity to things written. You have expressed your heart Brian, you are okay here – we appreciate your love of scripture.

    Friday, May 26, 2006 7:09:00 PM  
    Blogger Phillips Lynn said...


    I do not have a problem with anyone offering prayer or quoting scripture in comments on blogs, however in this case with the inclusion of "your French" it rings hollow in my opinion.

    Friday, May 26, 2006 8:18:00 PM  
    Blogger Bryan Riley said...

    that is a fair comment, PL, and I did that with intent. Any pharisee would follow all the rules to the letter, whether in love or not. I have been accused of being a Pharisee for praying scripture. I used that word to show I'm not a Pharisee and because i felt it emphasized how strongly i felt and how completely problematic conflict for the sake of conflict and without love can be. It is, for many, inappropriate or even "sinful" to speak such, and I wrote it without thinking about the fact of how public this forum is. I am sorry. I also hope it did not wound the message too much for too many. Thank you for the comment.

    Friday, May 26, 2006 8:25:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I think getting offended over the word "friggin" is a little pharisaical in and of itself.

    Saturday, May 27, 2006 5:19:00 PM  
    Blogger Bryan Riley said...

    I agree,but as Christians and just as decent humans we should also always be aware of our audience and do our best to be loving to the hearer. But i did use the word in part because i was commenting on exactly what you are saying anonymous.

    Saturday, May 27, 2006 6:25:00 PM  
    Anonymous cb5512 said...


    You remind me of Mr. Facing Both Ways from Pilgram's Progress.

    First you answer Phillips with "I am sorry," then Anony states "that being offended by the use of that word is pharisaical" and you reply "I agree."

    Do either you or Anony actually know what that word means?

    You both need to put your gutter language back in your pocket and meditate upon James 3:10-12. Especially you, Bryan, since you like to meditate on scripture so much.


    Sunday, May 28, 2006 1:25:00 PM  
    Blogger Arkansas Razorbaptist said...

    Everyone take a deep breath. I'm about to shed my cowl and cap and go swimming. YEEE HAAA.

    Sunday, May 28, 2006 1:29:00 PM  
    Blogger Villa Rica said...

    Arky Rabap,

    Please do not drown. We need you to report on Rooster Cogburn in Blog Town.

    Villa Rica

    Sunday, May 28, 2006 1:45:00 PM  
    Blogger Bryan Riley said...

    I hope that God gives me the grace to meditate more often on scripture than on my own judgments about others' conduct.

    James 3 discusses the incongruity of the same lips praising God and cursing humans, whom God created in His image. This isn't about profane or common language; rather, it seems more applicable to some of the attacks that I've seen made in some of these blogs against fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.

    Anyway, CB, I am uncertain it appears that you have a personal issue with me. My comments above were not inconsistent and if you need me to explain that I would be happy to do so. May we both continue to be transformed by the renewing of our minds as we present ourselves to God as living sacrifices. Have a great Memorial Day weekend!

    Sunday, May 28, 2006 2:04:00 PM  
    Blogger CB Scott said...


    Then you do understand that the word is profane and common?

    Well, if so then simply cease to use it and admonish Anony to follow your wholesome example.

    No need to be defensive, especially in light of the fact that you already know the word is profane and should not be used on a blog.

    I have no issue with you other than that which I have plainly stated.

    Thank you, I shall seek to have a good holiday and encourage you to do the same.


    Sunday, May 28, 2006 3:21:00 PM  
    Blogger Bryan Riley said...

    CB, I don't find any reason to be concerned generally about the language choices people make; instead, I am concerned with the meaning and character behind the words and the hearts of the speakers. As I tried to explain the word was simply used to emphasize my point there, which is a similar point to the one I am making here. However, because you are concerned, I will be careful to try to know what is appropriate language for you and speak accordingly. The main reason why I'm writing again here, though, is to ask if you have read my personal emails to you. You haven't responded to any of those after you said you would apologize if there were a misunderstanding (something I addressed in those emails), but you have been responding here, so I thought I would ask.

    Finally, I am cogitating on a thematic writing that deals with a struggle I find I am having. As I try to move from my former ways of thinking that were legalistic and judgmental in nature (being a pharisee), I find that I may have just found a new sin to judge...legalism, religious piety, pharisaicalism, etc. Ugh, the weight of my humanity!!!

    Trusting in Him to give me the grace not to sweat the small stuff...

    Sunday, May 28, 2006 8:13:00 PM  

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