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    Thursday, June 22, 2006

    Coach Floyd vs. Beer Part 2

    Pastor Clarifies Position On Ballpark, Beer

    City Council Has Power To Restrict Alcohol Sales At Stadium
    By Richard Dean Prudenti
    The Morning News

    SPRINGDALE -- The sale of alcohol is a "possible detriment" to families who would use a proposed multibillion dollar ballpark in Springdale, according to the Rev. Ronnie Floyd, senior pastor of the First Baptist Church of Springdale.

    Floyd, who also leads the Church at Pinnacle Hills in Rogers, issued a news release Wednesday clarifying his position on the proposed ballpark and beer.

    Floyd originally supported the project because it would provide for family entertainment and boost the local economy. Springdale city officials estimated an increase in revenue of about $600,000 a year through lease payments and taxes.

    He backed away from his endorsement Tuesday because beer would likely be sold there.

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    posted by Arkansas Razorbaptist at 6/22/2006 09:59:00 PM


    Blogger John Stickley said...

    MultiBILLION dollar park?

    I may make a special trip down to Arkansas to see that. Let me know when it's finished so I can see this new world wonder.

    Friday, June 23, 2006 7:05:00 AM  
    Anonymous Boy Wonder said...

    That certainly would be a world wonder! I think they got a little overexcited on that typo. The park is supposed to cost around $50 MILLION.

    Friday, June 23, 2006 7:43:00 AM  
    Blogger John Fariss said...

    At the risk of beating a dead horse, I will add something very close to what I have said in another blog (Art Roger's, to be exact). The subject was different (opinion's about what might happen at the convention next year), but there is, I think, a connection.

    I said that were I among the power brokers and king-makers (HA!), I wouldn't try to set up confrontations with Dr. Page, not immediately anyway. The principle I would employ is incremental (not instant or overwhelming) escalation. I would first try to win him over--make him into a "good 'ole boy," show him (and any supporters/advisors who can be identified) how much "alike" they already are, how important it is to "stay the course," give him new peers who could subtly apply pressure, give plausible rationales for what has been done, then confuse what was done with how it was done. Only if that failed would I try to overpower him. Another word for the same thing: seduction. Another illustration for the same thing: put a frog into a pot of hot water and it will jump out; put the same frog into cool water, but heat it slowly, and it will lie there until it cooks.

    HERE IS WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING: I sugested that for his blogger-supporters, a bit more confrontation would be necessary--have rabbits ready for them to chase, rabbits set out by pawns; rabbits like Calvinism AND BEVERAGE ALCOHOL! The purpose is(1) distract bloggers, and (2) to mislead the uninformed. And if a significant number of Dr. Page's supporters are out defending their position on beverage alcohol and having shoot-outs (verbal of course) over who said what when on the subject, it could hurt him, and make that "seduction" scenario easier.

    Am I suggesting a conspiracy is at work, a "vast, right-wing conspiracy" as Hillary put it when Bill was first accused of a sexual relationship with Monica? I rarely believe in them. As Ben Franklin said, "Three can keep a secret if two of them are dead." Am I suggesting that Dr. Floyd is a pawn? I don't know the answer to that--in fact, he might not know the answer, if he has been manipulated by someone subtle enough. Still, even if the whole matter is a coincidence, it is an amazing coincidence.

    Folks, are we chasing rabbits here, when Jesus told us to be about the business of evangelizing AND discipling? Discipleship is hardly talked about in Baptist circles anymore, except in some blogs. The leadership seems to talk mostly about evangelism, and at a somewhat distant second, theology: reach more, baptize more (properly, of course), don't purge our rolls of people we can't find because they can be targeted for evangelism (huh?), and all the problems the SBC or our churches face can be cured by evangelism. The reason I say theology is a distant second is that yes, a lot of folks emphasize their belief in INERRANCY and the BF&M2000, but making those statements is NOT thinking or speaking theologically--it is closer to what the Quakers used to call "having notions." That sounds trivial, and it was meant to: a notion is something you think without it having much other effect besides maybe painting you into a bigger or smaller corner. But Jesus said to evangelize AND to disciple. Does it bother anyone besides me that we seem to be emphasizing half of what Jesus commissioned us to do at the expense of the other half?
    John Fariss

    Friday, June 23, 2006 7:05:00 PM  
    Blogger Arkansas Razorbaptist said...

    John Farris,

    Thanks for keeping us on our toes.

    Friday, June 23, 2006 7:30:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I think Dr. Floyd need to grow-up and mind his own business, regarding beer being sold at the ballpark. The park could be a great thing for the NWA area. NWA wants so badly to be recognized and treated like a metro area, the good 'ole boy mentality has to go. I people want to have a beer at the ballgame, let them have one. Those who don't, JUST DON'T! Don't get me wrong, there must be some enforcement issues, but that just comes with the territory. Just go up to KC and watch a game. If you're offended by somebody eating a hot dog and drinking a beer, you need to grow up.

    Thursday, June 29, 2006 1:25:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I am a former member of FBC Springdale, and I would have to agree with the blog written by the anonymous blogger. Northwest Arkansas is in dire need of something like this for a variety of reasons. Whether a person drinks a beer or not is up to the individual and God. I myself do not drink and I could care less whether a person drinks a beer, or not. If you look at where the new park is to be located, there are restaurants and liquor stores less than a mile away. Don't get me wrong. I'm not in favor of people getting intoxicated at the games and causing problems. It has to be handled like is is in any other public place. Common sense here folks.

    Ronnie Floyd is very gifted preaching and proclaiming God's word. Unfortunately, he's coming across as a scam artist and doesn't even realize it. I Left FBC Springdale after the 30 million dollar "Special Treasures" drive, later to be know as "Special Treasures for Ronnie's Pleasures" by many outside the church (FBC).

    This program was designed to finance the building of the church at Pinnacle Hills and add on to the Springdale campus. I have never in my life seen God's word manipulated so perversely to coerce people into giving money. The really sickening part was the guilt trip they tried to put on the kids and the elderly for not giving enough. The elderly were treated like they were being sold a vacuum cleaner with judgement to come if they didn't buy it. Thank God seniors pastor Charlie Foster had no part of this. He's truely a Godly man and a blessing to the elderly.

    Parents were asked to cut back on Cristmas spending for their kids in order to give and kids asked to give, even sell their possessions. There were "advisors" available to help people "prayfully" have their wills rewritten to leave their estates to FBC. This is something that is between the individual nad God. People don't need a salesman, whoops, excuse me "advisor" to help them. It got more sickening as time passed. Lots of guilt trips and coersion going on. Does this sound like an episode from the twilight zone? Well, believe me its not. Go ahead and ask.

    Meanwhile, Ronnie and Jeanna are moving into their new 3/4 million dollar home at Clear Creek, playing golf on "The Blessing" golf course. Just a little too coincidental. He could at least been more descreet about it.

    As a member, I always hated it when people said FBC is all about money and numbers (and numbers = money). There are so many wonderful people at FBC. People that would give thier last two nickels and the shirt off their back to support that church. Meanwhile, the "staff" at top are driving around in Yukon Denalis and Cadillacs, reaping their worldly possessions.

    We can all remember the July 4, 2004 service when Ronnie told us to "vote God" while showing Bush's picture on the giant screen behind him. This WAS a campaign for Bush and Ronnie Floyd lied by denying it. Its all about motives. He may have stayed in bounds as far as the written law goes, but its all about motives and Ronnie pushed the envelope. By denying it, he lied, plain and simple. He should realize it and apologise for it. Unfortunately, the whole church suffers for it.

    The latest word going around is something about a firetruck baptismal for the kids. Something like a carnival ride to be baptized in where a cannon shoots confetti when the baptism is finished? Anybody heard about this? I certainly hope its not true.

    Friday, June 30, 2006 7:08:00 AM  

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