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    Friday, June 30, 2006



    Weighs in on the SBC Alcohol Resolution

    We here at the Arkansas Razorbaptist, certianly respect Dr. Danny Akin. Yesterday, the Florida Baptist Witness ran his column endorsing the alcohol resolution offered and approved by messengers at the convention. Akin acknowledges one truth and that is that scripture doesn't mandate a total abstinence postion on beverage alcohol. He then defends his own postion of total abstience by offering the thoughts and works of others, mainly Bob Stein and John MacArthur (we wished that the Flordia Baptist Witness could have provided links to the sermons and articles Akin referenced). We certianly respect his position of total abstinence and appreciate the fact that Dr. Akin didn't sucumb to name-calling against those who disagree with him.

    We disgree with Dr. Akin specifically on this point:
    Third, some draw an analogy with gluttony and point out 1) we don’t have the stomach (pun intended!) to address this, and 2) like gluttony, the issue is moderation. However, logic and experience refute this argument. I would agree we should address the sin of gluttony and perhaps even do so by resolution. But, no one even potentially becomes intoxicated by eating too much, and we do not lose thousands of lives each year because of DUG (Driving Under Gluttony).


    Thousands of lives are lost to the affects of overeating and practicing bad health habits. In fact, more harm, longer lasting harm, is being done in Baptist circles by people who are guilty of the sin of gluttony. (Batman is certianly guilty of this sin.)

    Dr. Akin wrote:

    Further, Paul’s guidelines for the gray areas of life are helpful at this point. Does this action help me? (1 Cor. 6:12) Can this action enslave me? (1 Cor. 6:12) Could this action be a stumbling block to a fellow believer (1 Cor. 8:13) or an unbeliever (1 Cor. 9:19-22; 10:32-33)? These principles could be summarized in the maxim: “love for others regulates my liberty.”

    We would like to ask, what harm is done by consuming a glass of wine with a meal within the privacy of one's home? We would like to ask the harm that is done when consuming a malted beverage while grilling out at one's home? I know many Baptists who regulate their liberty and only consume beverage alcohol within the privacy of their homes.

    For many years, issues related to alcohol have captured the minds of Baptists. Frankly, we have never been able to discuss the issue from a scriptural point of honesty. We appreciate those brothers and sisters who respect Christian liberty that is exercised with the love of others in mind.






    posted by Arkansas Razorbaptist at 6/30/2006 09:10:00 PM

    9 Comments:

    Anonymous Batgirl said...

    I can tell you what harm is done by drinking in one's own home. You never know if you are going to be one who becomes an alcoholic. It just takes one sip to become an alcoholic if you are genetically geared toward being one.
    Yes, that is the argument that will be offered. But that is exactly why I believe prayer must be a part of one's decision on whether or not to consume. I believe in the power of the Holy Spirit. I do not think the decision to consume or not to consume should be taken lightly. I know when I made the decision, I prayed and read my Bible searching for the right answer. And for me, I have no issue with a drink every now and then. I believe if I were one of those people where it "just took one sip" to become addicted, God would have given me a different answer to my question.

    Friday, June 30, 2006 5:15:00 PM  
    Blogger Kevin Bussey said...

    Batgirl,

    You stole my thunder. I know it is not a sin according to the Bible. But, you never know if you can control it. It destroyed my wife's family! My grandfather who is from Fordyce, died from cirrhosis of the liver. That is why I don't drink. If I took one sip, I might be "JIM" on Taxi.

    Also, the worst thing that could happen to someone in Jesus time was to fall off a camel. Today you can kill someone in a vehicle.

    Friday, June 30, 2006 6:44:00 PM  
    Blogger Jamie Wootten said...

    In order to consume the wine in the privacy of your home you must first purchase it in the public markets of your town. Where I live I can assure you that if I were seen down at the local Piggly Wiggly (if you don't know what the Pig is, then you aren't cultured...) purchasing alcoholic beverages then my witness would be ruined among believers and non believers in this town.

    THat is one of many reasons why my liberty will take a backseat to wise living.

    Friday, June 30, 2006 6:54:00 PM  
    Anonymous CTM said...

    HAve you ever heard of mail order.

    Friday, June 30, 2006 7:47:00 PM  
    Anonymous Batgirl said...

    Kevin, but don't you think God has the ability to tell you not to drink and give you that conviction due to your own "not knowing?" God knows whether or not you'd have a problem.
    I've seen alcohol abuse ruin people in my life too... and it was plenty to scare me away from it when too young to be able to drink responsibly.
    And as far as buying it goes... why would it ruin your witness if you were seen buying it? Because we pass 74 resolutions against it, that's why. It has nothing to do with the Bible... you'd be a hypocrite b/c your denomination is so dead set against it. But someone from a different denomination seen purchasing it... would not be thought of badly. Its the Baptist thing that would hurt your witness... not the Bible.
    But, due to being Baptist... I don't buy it. My momma buys it for me (on those rare occasions that I drink in my own house, or sometimes at my mommas :).

    Friday, June 30, 2006 8:12:00 PM  
    Blogger Kevin Bussey said...

    I will stay away from it. I have seen it ruin pastors too! I interviewed with a Baptist Church in Sarasota, FL. Their pastor had to leave because of alcohol and adultery.

    I don't think I could drink responsibly. I was in a Frat in college and grew up in Tuscaloosa-party capital of the world. I never have met people who can drink responsbily. Maybe you can, but I have never met anyone who drinks who at one time did not go to far.

    Friday, June 30, 2006 8:47:00 PM  
    Blogger Kevin Bussey said...

    BTW,

    I don't want to pass resolutions either. I feel it is up to personal convictions.

    Friday, June 30, 2006 8:48:00 PM  
    Blogger Arkansas Razorbaptist said...

    Akin says that a one to one comparison for 1st century wine and today's distilled beverages is not the same; he is comparing apples to oranges. Dr. Akin should compare 1st century wine to 21st century wine - they are very similar. In addition, they had beer in Old Testament times – it was offered as a sacrifice to Yahweh and then consumed.

    The Bible contains many warnings against drunkenness. Yes, people could get drunk off the sauce back in Bible times and that is why the inerrant word of God warns against it and does not say THOU SHALT NOT DRINK ALCOHOL!

    Batman isn’t a winebibber for Jesus and doesn’t consume, but this is an argument about man’s preference over the integrity of what the scripture says. We understand that seminary presidents and convention leaders can’t really be straight forward and honest about this, they have their considerations.

    Imagine what would happen if Al Mohler came out for something less than a total abstinence policy. His “dear” brother Paige Patterson would come out and crucify him and would publicly ask “why any well-meaning Baptist would go to a seminary where it’s president was enabling social drinking and encouraging drunkenness?” You know that is true. Just look at what these same folks said about The Rt. Rev. Ben S. Cole.

    We know many people who voted for the resolution, who if it had been a secret ballot, would have voted against it. We talked to them. Peer pressure won the day; not some great adherence to scripture. The good news is that we, as Baptists, are growing up in relation to several matters of doctrine.

    Friday, June 30, 2006 9:08:00 PM  
    Anonymous Batgirl said...

    I know lots of people who drink and don't overdo it. A lot of people aren't willing to admit that they drink on occasion b/c of the Baptist dogma. You might be surprised at the number of folks who have a drink every now and then. I know I was once I started admitting it (within Baptist circles) and 9 times out of 10 the other person said "I feel the same way."

    Monday, July 03, 2006 1:19:00 PM  

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