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    Thursday, July 06, 2006

    Could you support a Mormon for President in a GOP Primary?


    Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney was in Arkansas tonight to raise money for the state Republican Party. We couldn't help but wonder if Southern Baptists could support Romney (a noted conservative), who is said to be a top tier candidate, for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008.

    We know most Baptists view the LDS Church as a cult and do not think of them as a Christian religion, but would that prevent many in one of the nation's largest denomination from supporting his candidacy?


    Where do you come down?

    posted by Arkansas Razorbaptist at 7/06/2006 08:46:00 PM

    18 Comments:

    Blogger Kevin Stilley said...

    Hi, there is an interesting article questioning whether America is ready for a Mormon president at

    http://www.getreligion.org/?p=1722

    Blessings, and peace.

    Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:09:00 PM  
    Blogger Batgirl said...

    That's a tough one for me. I'd like to support an evangelical Christian... but I want someone who can win. Does no good to put someone in the race if they can't win in November. While I would never support a pro-choice candidate, a Morman candidate is a bit different... unless of course he planned on bringing back polygamy. Barring that, I would think his belief system would line him up (politically) with conservative evangelicals.
    Its a tough one for me... but hopefully I won't have to wrestle with it. Maybe Huckabee with get out there and gain national support and he'll be presidient! Who knows!

    Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:15:00 PM  
    Blogger CB Scott said...

    No!
    cb

    Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:39:00 PM  
    Blogger Jamie Wootten said...

    It depends on who his opponent is. And I believe there is a big difference between voting and supporting. I could probably vote for him if we lined up on certain issues, but I would not be out beating the drum for his candidacy. Hope that didn't sound too hypocritical...

    Friday, July 07, 2006 10:01:00 AM  
    Blogger Tom Bryant said...

    His religion wouldn't make a difference for me... I remember what we got when we voted for southern baptists for president.

    Friday, July 07, 2006 10:41:00 AM  
    Blogger Boy Wonder said...

    Point well taken, Tom! I'm with Batgirl on this right now, not sure what to make of the Mormon issue, or Romney, just yet.

    Friday, July 07, 2006 1:24:00 PM  
    Blogger Kevin Bussey said...

    You better watch out swine, I made the Mormon blog watch list because I posted about Romney earlier in the week. You might get a visit from the elders and they will have on their holy underwear!

    Friday, July 07, 2006 7:35:00 PM  
    Blogger Dorcas said...

    Tom made my point I was going to make about the label someone is under isn't everything.

    I'm not sure about how much to factor in religion in whom I vote for because so much hinges upon the individual person and whether the candidate is a practicing (fill in the blank) or just a claim to get votes. For instance, I wouldn't vote for someone who said they were a "satanist" or a witch or warlock.

    So where does Mormonism fall in that range? I'm not sure. My dad lives in Utah in the midst of it all (he is a Christian). So I called and asked him what he thought. He said that he didn't have much of an opinion on it right now except to say Romney was in charge of the Olympics when they came to Salt Lake City and he felt that turned out well.

    So on the level of competency to do a big job, Romney has one plus in the book.

    Back to Mormonism, from my visiting in Utah I know they are family focused, anti-alcohol, ardent observers of the Sabbath, and very socially oriented (mainly because they are trying to work their way into heaven). So though their beliefs are not accurate, their inaccuracies are to the social benefit, and therefore a Mormon president who followed their ideals would probably be good for those who want a good social program focus to domestic policy.

    Still pondering, but right now I guess my answer is ... we could do worse. If he has a good concept of separation of church and state and doesn't try to convert the world to Mormonism while he is President ... might not be the end of the world for him to have the job.

    Saturday, July 08, 2006 6:19:00 AM  
    Blogger Batgirl said...

    I think Dorcas worked things out in my head pretty well... and so did Jamie. I wouldn't be hob nobbing at his fundraisers, but the fact that he is Morman wouldn't necessarily make me vote for someone else in the primary.

    Saturday, July 08, 2006 9:57:00 AM  
    Blogger Tad Thompson said...

    The problem in this matter is quite unique for evangelicals. Mormonism is a cult...by nature a cult is deceptive and subversive to Christianity...more so than a pure pagan. They guise themselves as Christians.

    Politically, evangelicals are a necessary force for the republican party. If we stand by this guy it will serve as means for Morminism to gain even more legitimacy as a so-called denomination. This is very dangerous...he will not have my support and I would not vote for him...period.

    Saturday, July 08, 2006 5:44:00 PM  
    Blogger Brother Bob said...

    Wow, this is a tough one.
    Tom had a great point about what we got we when voted for Southern Baptists, but I believe Tad's point above needs to be considered.
    The bottom line for us as Christians is what is more important: our politics or our faith? If politics is the greatest consideration, then sure, vote for a Mormon for president. But if faith is the most important issue, than how can we support a president who will surely bring the Mormon cult into greater acceptance in our culture, opening more doors for the bicycle-peddlers of a false gospel?
    Complicating all of this is that politics and faith cannot so easily be separated, especially on issues such as protecting the sacredness of life and Biblical marriage.
    Yet as uncomfortable as I am with voting for somebody who would aid the killing of babies, I am even more uncomfortable with somebody who would aid in sending people to Hell.

    Saturday, July 08, 2006 6:17:00 PM  
    Blogger Arkansas Razorbaptist said...

    I wouldn't support him for the GOP nomination and I don't think he could win the nomination.

    Saturday, July 08, 2006 7:07:00 PM  
    Anonymous Charley S. said...

    Bro. Bob,

    "I am even more uncomfortable with somebody who would aid in sending people to Hell."

    Brother Bob there is comfort in believing in the Doctrines of Grace.

    Saturday, July 08, 2006 7:10:00 PM  
    Blogger Batgirl said...

    hmmm... I'm having lots of trouble with this. There were many shouting "Rice in 08" at the convention and while she talked about her faith... she never said anything about a saving relationship with Christ. I'm just not sure how Mormanism is any worse than proclaimed Christianity when there is no saving relationship present. Hell is hell... whether there by belief in one false doctrine or another.
    If my faith dictated I could not vote for a Morman, then it would equally say I could only ever vote for a born-again Christian.
    I don't know... but it seems to me that a denomination where a saving relationship is not needed or desired could be worse than Mormanism.
    I could be way off base... but I'm still thinking.

    Saturday, July 08, 2006 7:15:00 PM  
    Blogger Brother Bob said...

    Charley S., I do find comfort in the doctinres of grace. My discomfort is that Mormonism promotes a doctine of works salvation, belief in existence of a plurality of gods, and numerous other false doctrines.
    Batgirl, I agree that hell is hell and that there are many false paths that would lead one there, not just the path of Mormonism. But my problem with a Mormon president is the legitimacy that it would give to this cult in the eyes of our culture. The LDS church has been campaigning for years to be considered "just another denomination." They are making headway in this thinking with many people, but many Christians still remain skeptical. A Mormon president would open the doors of thousands of homes to Mormon missionaries, homes that otherwise would be closed, but because the president was a Mormon, people would be interested and be more likely to listen to the LDS deception.
    I am very uncomfortable with that scenario.

    Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:34:00 PM  
    Blogger Batgirl said...

    And unless they hear the truth, it doesn't matter if they fall into LDS deception. Like Dorcas said, at least they teach their people to live within a budget, do good, abstain from everything... shoot, they can't even have caffeine!! No, I in no way think they are just another denomination... but at the same time, I don't think they are any worse than other "accepted" denominations who are in many ways just as false in their teachings since they just skim the surface.
    People talk about "the good ol days" when everyone went to church. Well, I'm not one who thinks there were more saved people in "the good ol days." there were just more people who put up a nice front.
    And I feel the same about Mormanism... I don't think one cult over another creates more lost people. Its our job to share the truth... and THAT is the only thing that will make a difference. just my humble opinion

    Sunday, July 09, 2006 10:35:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I was born in New York State, raised a Hoosier (Indiana) and adopted Arkansas 25 years ago as my chosen place to live and work. My career has taken me abroad numerous times.

    Arkansas seems to be the only place where some folks consider Mormons a cult. Elsewhere they are perceived as hard-working, teetotaling, respectable Christians.

    Why gives one Christian sect the authority to call another Christian sect a "cult"? Isn't that a rather unchristian attitude?

    Sunday, November 19, 2006 1:16:00 PM  
    Anonymous Steve said...

    I found this from www.evangelicalsformitt.org.

    As a Mormon from Utah, I know what it's like being uncomfortable for having been forced to ally politically with whom I see as believers in "false gospels". But, boy, did it warm my heart to hear George W. on the campaign trail speak of Jesus in familiar terms; that, and his platform's agreement with my values, did a lot to calm my fears about his religious views, as I realized that his religion was only somewhat false, while his opponent's, judging by the solidifications of his faith into his policy decisions, was in almost direct opposition to my faith.

    The thing I try to decide when faced with a Protestant candidate is, in the end, what affects me more, his religion or his politics? Politics by nature are things that come down very forcefully against all within their umbrella, while religions are choices of will. I think a lot of LDS see things as I do, too: Utahns have been among the staunchest supporters of President Bush in this country. He's our president.

    Joseph Smith examined this question a long time ago. He concluded: "If it has been demonstrated that I am willing to die for a ‘Mormon,’ I am bold to declare before Heaven that I am just as ready in defending the rights of a Presbyterian, a Baptist, or a good man of any other denomination; for the same principle which would trample upon the rights of the Latter-day Saints would trample upon the rights of the Roman Catholics, or of any other denomination who may be unpopular and too weak to defend themselves." And the laws and leaders that will defend the country, protect babies, and uphold marriages for the South will do the same for my Utah.

    To those on this page, what I would want to ask is this: If Hell is Hell, then would you rather have a Hell full of people who respect your religion's right to exist, and who don't want to throw away your beliefs or your Bible, and who, if they can't convert you, will at the very worst pray for God's blessings on your souls, or would you choose a Hellful of homosexual, unabashadly pagan liberals who want to make your children not into saints, but into animals, and who will never truly rest until Christianity in its entirety is swept not only from the schools, not just from the government, but from the very face of the planet? It's a long question, I know; but answer that, and you have your answer about Mitt Romney.

    Friday, December 08, 2006 1:39:00 AM  

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