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    Saturday, June 17, 2006

    Just what the doctor ordered
    Our Man Frank "The Paginator" Page Will Try to Terminate the SBC's Old Image.

    GREENSBORO, N.C. (AP) - The surprise pick for president of the Southern Baptist Convention says he'll stand up for the denomination's conservative beliefs — but he'll do it with a smile. "I believe in the Word of God," says the Rev. Frank Page. "I'm just not mad about it."

    Read the whole story.

    Here is a piece from Time.com about the blogger's role in electing Frank Page:

    The Bloggers' Favorite Southern Baptist

    The upset victory of a non-anointed candidate to lead America's largest Protestant denomination signals the growing power of online activists, even in old-line churches.

    Read the column by DAVID VAN BIEMA.

    posted by Arkansas Razorbaptist at 6/17/2006 10:23:00 PM

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    How Far Have We Come?
    Baptist and Slavery:
    The Early Days

    Batgirl found some interesting reading tonight. When people talk about how wonderful we are as Southern Baptists, I like to remind them why we were founded.

    Read this little commentary: Rev. Dr. Richard Furman's EXPOSITION of The Views of the Baptists, RELATIVE TO THE COLOURED POPULATION In the United States; IN A COMMUNICATION, To the Governor of South-Carolina, 1838.

    Our history should keep us humble.

    posted by Arkansas Razorbaptist at 6/17/2006 09:40:00 PM

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    Friday, June 16, 2006

    At least we always say thank you.

    Last night, I (the female Razorbaptist) read all the resolutions passed since the first Southern Baptist Convention in 1845. Believe it or not, it was an interesting read.

    I called out in horror some of the things I read, like the 1967 resolution written on population explosion and how we as Baptists should use medically approved methods of planned parenthood. Not that I take issue with all forms of family planning... but due to the threat of mass starvation?

    And in 1971, prior to the 1973 Roe v Wade case, we encouraged legislation to allow abortion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity (and since "clear evidence" is often wrong in 2006, I can't imagine it was too accurate in 1971), and then the reason I loved most, "evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother." If that doesn't sound like abortion on demand, what does? Thankfully, we realized our error and corrected our stance on abortion. There have been 16 resolutions on abortion.

    Since slavery was the cause of our formation in 1845 and the first resolution on educating our "colored population" was passed that same year, one has to wonder if the purpose of educating them in the way of the Lord was so "slaves obey your master" could be instilled in them as well. Not knowing much about our history, I'm left to only wonder. In 1995, we passed a resolution apologizing for our lack of support for civil rights legislation. Gee.

    In 1853 we passed our first of 62 resolutions on religious liberty. These resolutions are as varied as asking Congress to adopt "measures as may be deemed proper to secure to American citizens whilst traveling or residing in foreign states, the exercise of the rights of conscience and religious worship" (1859) to the Southern Baptist Conventions "unwavering devotion to the separation of church and state in its strong opposition to the use of tax funds and tax-supported schools in favor of any or all religious organizations." (1953)

    We've passed 7 resolutions on the Bible, 22 on prayer, and 1 on Jesus Christ.
    The first resolution on alcohol was passed in 1886. I wonder if it was a sin before then. There have been 73 more. The only subject that has garnered more resolutions than alcohol is appreciation, mostly for the host cities of the convention.

    Since a resolution is an expression of an opinion or concern, it is interesting to see about what we Southern Baptists are concerned. It looks like we are more concerned with the consumption of alcohol than anything else. What is wrong with us?

    posted by Arkansas Razorbaptist at 6/16/2006 08:36:00 PM

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    Bobby Back-Hands Calvinist Baptists

    We like the former president, but we are glad he is the FORMER president -- heck we bought his book and love his passion for leading others to Christ.

    Wednesday morning, Dr. Welch was filling time with an on-the-spot sermon before the one of the business sessions, and from our perspective, near the end of his message, the only thing that was filled was his mouth, because he clearly put his foot into it.

    He did this while trying to admonish all Southern Baptists to win souls. In addition to licking shoe leather, he also managed to show his theological ignorance and disdain for reformed-minded Baptists.

    Here is the famous quote:

    "People are running around in these hallways saying, "What about these Calvinists...what about these others?' Listen to me, this is a careful, thoughtful statement. It may not sound that way, but it is. Listen to this. You who claim to be hot-hearted evangelical and evangelistic, then put up or shut up. You who want to be called Calvinist or your getting called Calvinist because your theology -- LISTEN! If you know who is elected, get out there and tell 'em it's time to come on in, and take office and get baptized and help us go soul winning. One thing we must not do is let the enemy distract us from God's calling on our life and you got Jesus and the Word telling us that -somebody say Amen!"

    We do not know anyone of a Calvinist persuasion who has ever claimed to know who the "elect" is. Only God knows that -- wait your buddy Dick Lincoln (remember Sunday night) basically said Jesus didn't know who was going to be in heaven. Has Dick ever preached out of Romans?

    Dr. Welch our vigor for evangelism doesn't come from the need to put another notch on our belt or so we can brag about our soul-wining or so we can lay up treasure in heaven or build a few mansions in heaven or because some denominationally leader has but in place some a goal to get a certain number of people baptized.

    Dr. Welch, and the rest of you who don't understand the Doctrines of Grace --LISTEN !

    We evangelize because Jesus commanded us to evangelize. STOP trying to tar and feather Calvinist or reformed-minded Baptists. It's time for you and the rest of our Baptist brothers to call off the dogs. Remember, our numbers are growing because people are studying the inerrant Word we all cherish.

    posted by Arkansas Razorbaptist at 6/16/2006 02:35:00 PM

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    Thursday, June 15, 2006

    Did messengers know that Condi Rice is "pro-choice?"
    I believe Bobby Welch said she was one of us. Really???

    We were a little surprised by the overwhelmingly warm reception Sec. Rice received from the 11,000 messengers. There were even few messengers screaming "2008!" implying some how they would support her presidential candidacy, should it materialize.

    The standard for Southern Baptists is (hopefully was): We'll beat the dog snot out of our own over matters of nonessential doctrines, but we'll LOVE all over a pro-choice Bush Administration official.

    We would encourage you to read this Washington Times piece. Let me provide a few excepts:

    "...Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice yesterday pointedly declined to rule out running for president in 2008, and gave her most detailed explanation of a "mildly pro-choice" stance on abortion.

    "...she said she would not want the government 'forcing its views' on abortion.

    "...Other Republicans have questioned whether evangelical Christians, a crucial component of the Republican base, would turn out to vote for a pro-choice candidate. Miss Rice, a Presbyterian's preacher's daughter who twice in the interview spoke of her 'deep religious faith,' suggested it's a moot point. 'I'm not trying to be elected.'

    "...Describing pro-lifers as "the other side" is one of the ways Miss Rice articulates her position as a "mildly pro-choice" Republican. She explained that she is "in effect kind of libertarian on this issue," adding: "I have been concerned about a government role."

    CONDI 2008??

    posted by Arkansas Razorbaptist at 6/15/2006 09:55:00 PM

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    Another Hero From Greensboro: Joyce Rogers

    This is from the Baptist Press story refering to Joyce Roger's words to the messengers:

    Adrian Rogers would not have been a part of what is going on in some parts of our convention today, getting narrower and narrower about very highly interpretive issues,” she said, touching off about 15 seconds’ worth of applause.

    He would try to convince you of his view, but not to exclude you from service and fellowship, or to prevent you from going around the world with Southern Baptists to share the Gospel if you disagreed on these controversial issues,” Rogers said. “And I challenge you on his behalf to graciously work for unity in the body of Christ.

    If Joyce Rogers gets it, why can't a majority of IMB trustees?

    posted by Arkansas Razorbaptist at 6/15/2006 07:50:00 PM

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    We love Morris Chapman and with good reason!

    This is from Chapman's Tuesday convention address:

    "Those of us who led the Conservative Resurgence have two choices. We can lead Southern Baptists in continuing to build the greatest missions enterprise ever known to mankind. And, we can embrace a widening circle of Southern Baptist brothers, young and old, with whom we share a strong heartbeat for advancing the Kingdom of God. The Baptist Faith and Message was written as a confession to pull us together not as a creed to pull us apart.

    It is time to cease narrowing the parameters of our collective convictions and widen the parameters of our vision for world missions. Or, we can insist upon building our own kingdom like the pharaohs of old.
    If we do, we shall lose the blessings God has showered abundantly upon Southern Baptists for over 160 years. Who among us would want to be held responsible for the loss of God’s power upon Southern Baptists?"

    How can Chapman get it and the other leaders of the resurgence miss it? It's a question, not of understanding, but of motivation.

    posted by Arkansas Razorbaptist at 6/15/2006 07:15:00 PM

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    Watching Larry King Live right now we are thankful for the Conservative Resurgence.

    Tonight's Topic: America's first openly gay Episcopal bishop discusses whether homosexuals should stay in a church that won't accept them.

    Al Mohler is doing a bang up job on this panel of liberal theologians and one decent orthodox Episcopal priest.

    posted by Arkansas Razorbaptist at 6/15/2006 06:48:00 PM

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    Issues for the Future:

    • Legalism vs. Christian Liberty
    • Calvinism Accepted vs. Calvinism Attacked.
    • Narrowing the definition of "Southern Baptist" vs. Unifying around essential doctrines.

    Make no mistake about it, this debate really goes back to the fidelity of the scripture. We made great strides in Greensboro, but we have our work cut out for us.

    posted by Arkansas Razorbaptist at 6/15/2006 05:07:00 PM

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    Tuesday, June 13, 2006

    Boy Wonder has finally left the Bat Cave. He will be in da house tomorrow night!
    (Yes I am blogging from my cell phone!)


    Mobile Email from a Cingular Wireless Customer http://www.cingular.com

    posted by Arkansas Razorbaptist at 6/13/2006 06:16:00 PM

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    Frank Page Elected SBC President!

    Just announced - Frank Page received 50.4% of the vote.

    More later...

    UPDATE: Here's the BP News story.

    posted by Arkansas Razorbaptist at 6/13/2006 01:11:00 PM

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    Mobile Email from a Cingular Wireless Customer http://www.cingular.com

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    Monday, June 12, 2006

    Monday Night Service

    Boy Wonder here - I was only able to watch part of the service tonight via the web from an undisclosed remote location, but it was still powerful.

    Joyce Rogers is a strong woman. She gave a much needed challenge for unity and mission focus and decried the "narrowing" requirements of "some in the Convention".

    She also said her son is carrying out his father's dream of establishing a training institute for pastors. Check it out at CompleteTheTask.org.

    The video tribute to Dr. Adrian Rogers was very, very moving. What a fantastic and faithful man of God! He is missed dearly.

    Finally, the message from Dr. Ed Young should be heard by every Southern Baptist. (I think they are archiving the webstream of the session, so check it out later if you missed it or get a copy on CD). I thought he gave a stirring appeal to the Church to return to its mission and stop sweating the small stuff. He said that we have drifted on to "side streets" and are not following the main path we ought, citing statistics on the increasing number of now-unchurched former churchgoers. It was a very bold sermon. He said it was very difficult for him to say what he said. Someone needed to say it and I'm glad he did.

    He bemoaned the SBC for having a session debating Calvinism vs. Armenianism, when there are more important things to talk about. "Side streets!", he says. He cited I Corinthians 3 which includes these verses on divisions in the Church:

    3 You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere men? 4 For when one says, "I follow Paul," and another, "I follow Apollos," are you not mere men?
    5 What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task. 6 I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God made it grow. 7 So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow.

    And he cited James 3 which talks about taming the tongue. He said we should stop having these distracting arguments and get back to what is important. He compared statistics of our missionaries' successes overseas against the numbers reached by churches here at home. It was a sobering comparison.

    It was inspiring to hear Dr. Young tonight preach a bold challenge to us Baptists and do it unapologetically. I hope everyone else who heard it was likewise blessed.

    P.S. I also really enjoyed one of the hymns that was sung tonight. "Praise to the Lord, the Almighty!" (Sing along courtesy of the Cyberhymnal)

    UPDATE: The Baptist Press already has a story up on Joyce Roger's comment about a "narrower" SBC. Read it here.

    posted by Arkansas Razorbaptist at 6/12/2006 08:31:00 PM

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    Encouraging Christian Education

    From the Editors of The Arkansas Razorbaptist…

    Should Southern Baptists pursue an "exit strategy" for removing their children from public schools?

    A resolution has (again) been filed calling for an exit strategy to be developed by Southern Baptists to pull their kids out of the public school system.

    No doubt this proposal will be controversial.

    Having attended both private-Christian and public schools growing up, we understand there are merits on both sides of the argument.

    Those advocating a withdrawal would say that the situation in the public schools has become untenable. Evolution, liberal sex education, crime, secular humanism, historical revisionism and political correctness are just some of the secular plagues upon our system of public education.

    Many of these arguments are valid and indeed, these are troubling problems. We certainly are not opposed to a resolution on the theme encouraging Christian education. Though, we think the use of the term "exit strategy" may not be helpful here. We think that that particular language sends the wrong signal. For one, it's just bad public relations.

    The resolution drafted by Roger Moran and Dr. Bruce Shortt and the related op-ed penned by Albert Mohler in 2005 give the impression that the culture war has been lost and we must therefore withdraw from the fight. We do not believe that, as a denomination, we should cut and run. Nor should we fence ourselves off from and diminish our influence within society's institutions. At an early age, we are all taught to let our light shine. Are we to hide it under a bushel? "No!"

    The resolution commends Baptist adults who work in public schools for their missionary efforts. Yet, Baptist adults working in the public schools should not be the only ones commended for their missionary work. Christian students who are making a difference among their peers should be commended as well. They must not be written off as inadequate witnesses or hopelessly impressionable. At one time or another, we have all witnessed the efforts of young people, inspired by their faith, seeking to make a difference. We sought to make a difference when we were youth ourselves. New efforts to encourage leadership and inspire this generation of youth and the next must be made.

    We do like several of the points made in the proposal. The resolution suggests drawing on existing buildings for use as school facilities. The resolution calls for tapping members of our congregations, including pastors, to help teach. Further development of educational Christian media is encouraged. The drafters of the resolution also recommend that the process make considerations for helping orphans, single parents, and the disadvantaged. We couldn't agree more. These are all wise suggestions.

    This issue is important and it has caused us to consider some additional new ideas toward Christian education and we would like to share them.

    We believe homeschooling is a useful alternative for many families and should be encouraged for those willing to make that commitment. The principle of educational cooperation and shared resources has already been demonstrated among members of the homeschooling community as evidenced by the many homeschool groups that exist around the country.

    We believe that more cooperation should be encouraged among Baptist churches at the local level. Article XIV of the Baptist Faith & Message states, "Members of New Testament churches should cooperate with one another in carrying forward the missionary, educational, and benevolent ministries for the extension of Christ's Kingdom."

    The purpose of Baptist associations is to encourage cooperation and the pooling of resources toward common efforts. "No [church] is an island, entire of itself," to paraphrase Donne. Autonomy of the local church should not mean independent isolation. Yet, many Baptists likely have little knowledge of their local association and the activities of other churches in their area. We think the associational model should be forefront in the development of Christian schools along with other social programs such as food banks and crisis pregnancy centers. Of course, these efforts will require active leadership from our associational missionaries.

    Funding will obviously be a consideration and all options should be explored for that as well.

    We believe that lessons could be learned by looking at the education model created by the Catholic Church. Whatever differences we may have with Catholics, they are to be credited for constructing an extensive system of education that is considered a mainstream alternative. Our colleges and seminaries have already proven that we can establish reputable academic institutions. As the largest Protestant denomination, we should be bold in our development strategies for K-12 schools as well.

    This debate, if anything, should reinforce the importance of parental involvement in the lives and development of their children. As we said, we prefer to leave the term "exit strategy" out of the mix, but we wholeheartedly encourage the furthering of Christian education and the offering of new options and alternatives. In light of this, we hope that Southern Baptist families, churches, associations and state conventions will review all available opportunities for children's education and make choices based upon serious consideration and prayer.

    Related Links
    Albert Mohler’s 2005 column, "Needed: An Exit Strategy"

    Text of the 2006 resolution

    posted by Arkansas Razorbaptist at 6/12/2006 01:30:00 PM

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    Sunday, June 11, 2006

    Day 1: Pastors Conference

    Things that stuck out:

    A) Calvinism (or "a certain type of theology") = Insidiousness! So said Dick Lincoln.
    B)The night the lights went out on a Georgian. Johnny Hunt was in the dark thanks to a storm .
    C. Warrenless platform, Rick Warren speaks via television and not in person.

    posted by Arkansas Razorbaptist at 6/11/2006 11:02:00 PM

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